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National Times

Do men get a rough deal?

January 11, 2011

Opinion

Seems a bit rich these days to claim there is a ‘‘glass ceiling’’ for female jobs. Load of cobblers, isnt it? I mean, Australia has a female Prime Minister and a female Governor-General.

Has there really been discrimination over the years against mothers who work -- or against women without children?

The National Council of Women thinks so and no surprise there. I recently chatted with Victorian leader Jennie Rawther who pointed out that, among other things, women at the end of  World War 1 had to give up their jobs to returning servicemen -- even though their husbands may have been killed in combat. There was no widow’s pension, nor child support.

Sounds tough but Age reader Steve Hills of Rosebud is not impressed. ‘‘There is overwhelming evidence that female health, safety and female lives were held as more valuable than men’s lives,’’ he says. ‘‘Men’s lives were routinely regarded as disposable. The view that women alone were discriminated against is an ignorant one.’’

According to Hills, ‘‘men have generally protected women but when women share all the power, will they look after men? No. They never have. Is there any such thing as a widower’s pension? Doesn’t exist. Never did.’’

Hills is not alone in his jaundiced view of an anti-male world.

Here’s author Michael Flood:

Fathers’ rights groups overlap with men’s rights groups and both represent an organised backlash to feminism. These groups consider that males have been

displaced from the labour market, schools and universities, deprived of their role as fathers, and are now regarded only as ‘gene pool and cash machine’

On the men’s rights website mensactivism.org the list of alleged discrimination is a long one.

Women-only discounts for car rental in New Zealand -- a Canadian woman who killed her defacto with a knife but walked free from court -- a British study (by a woman) that finds women actually do like staying home while men pay the bills:

The idea that women dislike being financially dependent on men is a myth, with more choosing to “marry up” now than did so in the 1940s, according to Dr Catherine Hakim from the London School of Economics.
After decades of gender equality campaigning many women now find it hard to admit that they want to be a housewife more than they want a successful career of their own, she said.

Says Steve Hills: ‘‘Patently women have been protected and paid for -- and paid respect due to their sex -- far more than men.’’

Is he right?

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87 comments so far

  • Some women are discriminated against, ALL men are discriminated against. Generally, we all put our lives on the line, literally or figuratively, and have no fall-back position. It's not for nothing that males who lack the courage to grind away in the fight for survival in life are called 'girls'. Yet women who opt to let men do the hard yards, whether it be working in a mindless job or dying on a battlefield, are lauded as making sacrifices to be home-makers. It's no wonder blokes, on average, don't live as long as women these days. Of course there are always exceptions. However, when I die (young, or younger than my ex-spouse who is now living well on more than half the proceeds of our marriage) I'm hoping for re-incarnation and would like to come back as a woman. I could use the rest and have a man, or several (Dad, boyfriends, husbands, lover, ex-husband, sugar-daddy, husband, ex-husband and old-codger next door) look after me for the next lifetime.

    Commenter
    Jasper
    Location
    Richmond
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 7:20AM
  • What a silly article. Of course some men get a rough deal as do some women. This article seems to support the hysterical "woe is me" style carry on the talk back radio seems to cater for.
    Quite frankly, I can't believe I am seeing this tripe in The Age. Shouldn't this be in the Herald-Scum?
    Oh, and people like Jasper, Steve Hills, etc appear to simply be professional victims.

    Commenter
    Kelly
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 7:35AM
  • What a load of old tosh.....was this written as a joke?

    Commenter
    lillianthomson
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 7:56AM
  • Men sure do get a rough deal these days - especially if they're straight.
    Why? Well all straight males are violent, beer-swilling, sport-loving womanisers who don't take any interest in the arts, are bad listeners, swear and only think about getting ahead in the world in a fiercely competitive manner. Of course we're all prejudiced against women and believe they only belong in the kitchen or the bedroom.
    Women on the other hand, are perfect in every way as they're the nurturing polar opposites of straight males and bear none of our shocking characteristics. Oh yes, they're multi-taskers too. There are super-mums but no super-dads. Never!
    Women have no faults - all the world's problems are caused by us evil straight males.
    Gay males are okay as they're are all sensitive, kind, well-dressed, arts-loving, good listeners, cultured and caring. They don't drink beer or take an interest in sport.
    Now all this is perfectly true isn't it? Well isn't it?
    Surely I'm not stereo-typing am I? All the feminists have been telling people like me these facts for years so surely I'm not mistaken.

    Commenter
    Charlie
    Location
    Yarra Ranges
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:12AM
  • "It's not for nothing that males who lack the courage to grind away in the fight for survival in life are called 'girls'."

    Wow. What an advanced culture we live in.

    It will be good when the current generation of *men* die out. The opinions expressed here so far are an embarrasment.

    "Yet women who opt to let men do the hard yards, whether it be working in a mindless job or dying on a battlefield, are lauded as making sacrifices to be home-makers"

    No need to mention that most western nations didn't permit women to serve in the military prior to the seventies, and even then they were not permitted to serve in active combat roles.

    No need to admit of the centuries of mind numbing and unaccounted hours of drudgery, often unpaid, performed by women, without which hours western societies would not exist.

    Get over yourselves. I am *man* whatever that means, but I would be embarrased to hold, let alone admit, such unfounded opinions.

    Commenter
    Geoff
    Location
    Bacchus Marsh
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:13AM
  • Well, women still earn 17% less than men - http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/australias-gender-wage-gap-costs-93b-20100315-q9da.html.

    Women only make up 8% of board positions -
    http://www.businessreviewaustralia.com/sectors/asx-australia/still-not-enough-women-australian-boardrooms

    "It was not until 1943 that the first women were elected to our federal parliament. The time lag between the right to stand and parliamentary representation by women, forty-one years later, was the longest in any western country." - Australian Electoral Commission.

    And there's still a far higher percentage of men in parliament - http://www.aph.gov.au/library/intguide/pol/currentwomen.pdf.

    Suddenly Australian has one - ONE - female prime minister after 100 odd years of men, and male gender is being oppressed? Jasper, mate, I'm sorry you are angry at your ex-wife but seriously, I'll happily take the male privilege any day.

    Commenter
    uj
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:14AM
  • Yeah, there is some substance to this.

    Over my 55 years I've seen the post war polarity of gender traditions move through "positive prejudice" times to the present. As an egalitarian male, I was morally obliged to live through the slings and arrows of a - necessary - initial over-reaction. There was a guilt by association that "beleagured males" had to wear with good grace for a period. The realities demanded it and I am ok with that, but the period must be finite. Sexism, after all, is the problem.

    I always kept in mind that the end-game would be an equality that didn't need to demonise gender differences to achieve the goal of balance. More of a 'yin-yang' symbol than a straight line 'us & them' division.

    An acknowledgement of the support of the males who were always on-side, would go a long way in indicating the emancipation of this issue. The days of 'men bad - women good' must go before we can achieve the balance.

    It must not be forgotten how the life-boats were 'manned' on a sinking ship.

    Commenter
    81dvl
    Location
    Vic
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:17AM
  • Boo hoo, boys! If you don't want a stay-at-home wife, don't marry one. If you don't want to support a legion of rugrats, keep your pants on. If you don't want to face the horrors of divorce, be a better husband. If you want to live longer, stop sucking beer, smoking fags, drink driving and getting in fist fights and go to the doctor more often. If you're missing out on jobs and promotions, get better qualifications and be better employees. If women don't treat you right, then get a new model to do your cleaning, washing and what passes for lovemaking. And ditto for whining women!

    Commenter
    M T Pockets
    Location
    Mackay
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:17AM
  • Well I agree with the sentiments of the article in relation to my experience of breast cancer, which is more of a "woman's" disease. The same year my husband was diagnosed with mesothelioma which has been a "man's" cancer although with the popularity of home renovations more women are contracting it. I was absoluteluy inundated with assistance while he was given a year to live and left to get on with it.
    Breast cancer has been given a disproportionate amount of attention to all other cancers.

    Commenter
    Christine
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:17AM
  • What is it with the Age publishing gender war-prodding articles of late? I guess people don't need much of an excuse to have a whine these days.

    Commenter
    boots
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    January 11, 2011, 8:41AM

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